1 Feb 2017

Hi Ffoeg, et al

Well Geoff I think the record was broken in January - your wish is our command!!!!!
First week in new job was great - and yes the company does have exceptionally high standards - which is MAGIC.
The job is not difficult - it is just common sense and a caring attitude and they suss that out at interview by asking more about you as a person than your experience in care.

How is your 'house work' getting on? Hope it is looking great and finished now?

Good to see postings from different people and hearing about their experiences at Windsor and life there after - keep them coming.

Bill put a lot into keeping this going and I hope January showed that it was definitely worth his efforts.

iZZZi Forbes (E72-75)

3 Feb 2017

My research on the history of the schools is coming on apace. my thanks to those who have sent me stuff so far. Some more questions to perhaps trigger memories.
First Does anyone remember Edda Haick? She was the very first pupil to arrive on 17 November 1953.
2. Another name: Bob Sherrell. fantastic athlete, head Boy WBS 63/64. Left to teacher training college but had a very serious car accident. His name went to the Bob Sherrell athletics cup.
3. Several Concordias and Ambassadors give tributes to the long serving non teaching staff, bursars, matrons, groundskeepers, librarians, tuck shopper, nurses, catering staff etc. Any more memories?
4. I'm short on school mags in late 50s/early60s and in the early 70s. If anyone has copies and could lend/send I'll be grateful
many thanks (and to Bill of course!)

Steve Green (C66-68, E68/69)

4 Feb 2017

Thought I would raise my head above the parapet again following on from my first posting in October, 2016. Well done to Bill for his efforts in reviving the site for another three years. I had thought it was ironic after all the years that I had followed the postings on the site and made a decision not to post myself, that shortly after I made my first posting the site died. Luckily after Bill's efforts it became live again and that is appreciated. Izzi adds humour and has a good take on life.
My first post was something of a doom and gloom effort as the majority of my clear memories of Windsor where all bad or negative. The few good memories I had of Windsor are less easy to recall, but I will try and make this posting a bit brighter and hopefully add a few items that jog other members memories. As I mentioned in my first posting there are very few postings from my era, maybe others from my time had similar unhappy experiences and were put off from posting. It may also be that time has taken its toll and students from that era are a bit thin on the ground now. I rarely see any postings for Caernarvon where I was during 1959/61 and that may reflect again on their own experiences in that particular house or just the school in general.
As far as general memories go, a few names spring to mind. I remember a Peter Leggate who I think may have been in Marlborough who was a good footballer who had been scouted by Fulham. Football was my main pleasure and I envied his opportunity. A pal I had who I think was also in Marlborough whose name was Michael Boniface broke his arm at the school and could not write with the injured arm. I wrote a few things for him from his dictation along with a covering note as to the reason,and for my trouble got told off for doing so. Hmm!!
One lad whose name I can't remember had suffered Polio and as a result used to have to wear calipers for his legs and many of us used to take turns on different occasions to give him a piggy-back when going between the different blocks.
I was there during the big flood and loved it when we were told we were being sent back home. It gave me a welcome break and I longed for more rain to help spin it out. As I mentioned in my previous posting, I do not remember Mr Hern (Geoff) from my time at the school, but I do remember, in addition to two others I mentioned in my last post, Mr. Kelly who had an R.E. involvement (another awful subject) and my favourite activity which was sport involved Mr. Rattray. The headmaster at that time was Mr. Benyon who occasionally sat in on some of the lessons.
Another pupil's name I recall as I am writing, was Frank Bird who I was forced to fight against in the inter-house boxing. I didn't want to box, but was told I was going to and like it or lump it. Why should I be forced to thump someone in a 'sport' I had no liking for. We had the fight and I lost and I added the event onto my school hate list.
I am recalling other bits and bobs as I type so I will leave them for another day when I may post them as well.

Well done again Bill,

Dave Gray (C59-61)

4 Feb 2017

Hi David Gray) (not the Pop Singer I guess???)

Great to see you've posted again. You joined Windsor the year I was born - not a good year for me either!!!

Thank you for appreciating my humour - not everybody does!!! I try to have a good take on life - it makes it easier to get through the day......
And Geoff Hern (Ffoeg) who I never knew in person has really helped to brighten up my view of Windsor - he is one good dude and I think we would both have benefitted from his wisdom.

I obviously wasn't there for the floods but it sounds like a Godsend to me - extra holidays and away from prep, etc

Your boxing story makes me growl!!! My father was made to box in his early days as a soldier and had a lump on his ear as a result!!! I think it is a barbaric sport and dislike it intensely!!!

I loved your piggyback story - you must be one of the good guys. At that young age you were caring for your peers and that is magic in my book.

The thing about all the bad memories at Windsor is that they taught me survival. I hope they did for your.

Keep posting it is great to hear from you and we need more stories like yours. Hope to see you post again soon. iZZZZZi

iZZZi Forbes (E72-75)

7 Feb 2017

Hello all!. A memory that I have is an account, origin forgotten, that involves the very first head of WBS. Apparently- (as I remember this) he was on an inspection visit before the site had opened as a school, and came across a U.S. army sgt.in the attic of what later became sandringham. The sgt.greeted him with "get to hell outta here!". Anybody remember that story?. What was a U.S.army sgt. doing there I wonder. And when would that have been?. Was it pegleg in disguise?
Mike Downey, did we play tabletennis in the dayroom? I remember reading about your tennis involvement in the U.S. in some posts here.
Probably little to do with myself or the dayroom I imagine. I found tennis a bit difficult, which was possibly due to playing too much of the table variety. Greetings from cold north Deutschland.

Ronnie Williams (M60-67)

8 Feb 2017

Memory Lane stuff eh! Schofield and Carstens quite unpleasant people both, sadly. The 'lady' in question had the habit of waiting outside Schofields office (I hesitate to call it a study) such she could listen to the reasonably constant slippering/stick handed out by him. That said Pop Worthy, true teacher and all round good guy, also delivered the slipper, to me and 3 others for eating pickled onions in bed after lights out! But a much gently touch. I was there when Cooper and O'Neill ran away. An amusing roll call that day! I played football for the school in the same side as Leggatt, scoring the best goal of my life. Top right hand corner, trouble was I was a full back and it was in my own goal. Leggatt spent an awfully long time on his hair, he was not alone in that respect as did Simon Underwood. It was the era of the Goads. Kevin going to Sandhurst and finishing up as Equerry to the Queen in later years. Nick and his constant letters to Anthony Newley (I was a dorm mate)

Despite what appears to be a rant, I still count myself exceptionally lucky to have been there. The alternative would have been staying in the UK and an apprenticeship at MacFisheries. As a result of learning how to manage others, mostly in that environment, I count myself as having had an amazing life which would not have happened without WBS

John Eustace (M59-62)

10 Feb 2017

I remember the teacher with the v shaped fringe, she taught geography and was Australian but l cannot remember her name. She used to write pages and pages on the blackboard and l can't remember her ever marking our geography books.

Chris Crawford (H65-67)

11 Feb 2017

Hi Ffoeg, You are very quiet this month - are you on detention for overworking Bill last month?
Hope all is well with you.

Hi Malcolm, Have you finished your home work yet? Hope it's looking great and how you wanted it.

2 weeks in to my new job and it's all going well. I been let loose with the clients and satisfied their requirements for catheters, stomas, etc!!!!!
Bad part of job is I care for a man I knew a few years back and seeing the deterioration is hard. The good thing is we are talking about the old days and it's giving him stimulation - when I see him he has another memory to talk about and that is what makes the job worth while - bright eyes, a smile and the all important BANTER.

iZZZi Forbes (E72-75)

12 Feb 2017

Hi Sebrof. Thought I'd take it a bit easier this month and give others a chance. Overdid it in January and we messed the system up a bit. I'm so glad that the job is going well. In no small way, I'm sure, to your approach. Still think my Goon Show 'Life is like a sewer....' quote is one of my favourites and sums up life. Others can ruin it at times but interaction with the majority gives both sides so much. As your contact and memory-sharing with your old friend shows.
And Rae are you in the Sauerland yet?

Geoff Hern (M60-80)

13 Feb 2017

Mr Hern - happpy new year to you!!!

In laws both very unwell over xmas at 82 yrs old - plus their dog that had to go to an emergence vet with an ear infection???

Had 18 for a birthday meal to celebrate James21st this weekend - both of them back at unni now and in laws have left feel exhausted. Looking forward to my hols in Germany in July. Also have a weekend break in May in Snowdonia - my husband doing his 9th triathlon has raised £800 for cancer research

Hope you arae keeping well - keep those little maths probs coming - keeps us on our toes!!!

Christine Willmott (M77-80)

13 Feb 2017

Hi Geoff., would you believeI just got home from the Sauerland about 4 hours ago!
It was wonderful; Willingen as superb a place as always and the snow on the hills and trees just magical. At the top of the Ettelsberg we had temps of -7 degrees but it was beautiful for walking. Did best part of 10 miles one of the days and of course always rewarded ourselves with cake and coffee! Winterberg also still worth visiting but too foggy this time to go up to Kahler Astern...wouldn't have been able to see anything
Lidl in Willingen not as good as my local one! Thought about revisiting Hamm and Gutersloh (I taught at Kings for two years after WGS) but the Sauerland just too nice to leave! Already planning our visit for next year.

Rae Mitchell ( Cleverly) (M77-81)

13 Feb 2017

Hi I'm Stephen Bruno brown Edinburgh house E170 Mr Thompson was the hose master loved my time at WBS names I remember Steve Elliot, Tony Nash, Brian Mead love the old photos is there a photo of Edinburgh hose boys fron 1970 -1974 thanks

Stephen Bruno Brown (E70-74)

13 Feb 2017

Thank you Izzi for your responses to my last bundle of recollections and glad to see Mr. Hern still hovering. I have done some head scratching to recall memories from my time at WBS and will reveal some of them as we go along. My thoughts are that some of the later students after my time in WBS may find the recollections unremarkable. Not only may some of the individuals mentioned from my time have been long gone on their arrival and mean nothing to readers, but in their later attendance there, the school and its running may have changed, corporal punishment would have gone and students would probably have become more confident. The more numerous postings from the 1970's onwards certainly seem more outgoing in content and show willingness to continue discussion. (Hope that lead-in was not too ponderous!)
The two Matrons at Caernarvon during my time between 1959 and 1961 were Fraulien Maier and Frau Drabble. Pleasant sometimes, other times they could be quite moody. Dorm inspection seemed to allow them to exercise their authority and arm flailing routines, as blankets, sheets and pillows fluttered to the floor as a result of their dismay at discovering corner and sheet folds were not up to their standard.
In the main school block in from the main door entrance was a room that served as a shop of sorts. Pencils, pens, rubbers, jotters, rulers etc. were dispensed by glum individuals who I think were representatives of TOC H. One of the delights they had on sale was Duncans Walnut Whip. Expensive, but enjoyable.
I remember doing Maths in a block directly across the two football pitches in front of the blocks of'Houses' although I can't remember the teacher's name. I thought it wonderful that there was a wonder machine which reminds me of an Arithmometer and it sat on a table for all to see. Dials, knobs and levers seemed to offer the perfect solution to a struggling pupil. It never was offered!
In the entrance area to the Gymnasium in a side room which was served by a hatchway, you could hand over your football boots for the nailed on studs to be replaced by the in-house German cobbler for a fee. Many a football game I hobbled through when one or two studs fell off, or when the soles of the feet bled because the nails from the previously nailed on studs penetrated the inside sole of the boot. We were tough then! None of the moulded ballet shoes footballers wear today!
More thoughts the next time, with reference to welsh rarebit and gaffers pie.

Dave Gray (C59-61)

13 Feb 2017

Hi Dave Gray, Great to hear your stories - I think my days were marginally better.

You reminded me of one thing that never changed the bed strips. I recall returning to the dorm at lunch time to find mine striped - first it had to be quarter master checked and only then could you remake your bed. If I was exceptionally lucky my drawers had been emptied on to my mattress and everything had to be put away to Fray Schluters standards or you had the whole lot to do again at the double or you would be late for the next lesson and earn another punishment, usually detention!!! HAPPY DAYS
On a positive note I learnt those sheet bends to perfection which is extremely handy working in the care sector.

Ffoeg, please note another positive observation from Sebrof!!!!

Hi Stephen Bruno,
I think I am right in saying there was a lad in E'burg House at the same time as you called Thomas Ketchell - can you remember him? And what happened to him? He used to live across the road from us in Hannover.

The flat in Hannover was probably the worst army quarter I lived in - being at the top floor (6 I think)the people before us had bars put across the windows to stop their children falling out and the army wouldn't let us remove them!!!! I wonder what would have happened if I had climbed over them and jumped for a laugh?!?!?

Well Dave, et al hope to hear from you again soon

iZZZi Forbes (E72-75)

14 Feb 2017

Dave Your Maths block memories are probably of Granville Watson who was Head of Department when I arrived in 1960. He was keen on computers in those early days and Malcolm has many memories of him. You are certain not to remember me - I was a wet-behind-the-ears greenhorn in your time at WBS and like you I was coming to terms with the new experience of boarding school.
Rae. I'm so glad that you had your usual enjoyment in Willingen and that your experiences in the Sauerland seem to mirror ours. At the risk of boring everyone we really love the area. An unknown region for most Brits - which selfishly was another plus for us - and it was always so easy to get away from any tourism. Advertising slot - Lidl valentine cards are excellent and great value like all their products.
Christine A very happy 2017 to you too not forgetting the lads of course. Maths problem? You and your team have still have not responded to the one I set in my November 10th 2014 post. P.Y.F.O. Is all I can say.
Sebrof Thought I just mention your name just to show you are not forgotten. Keep showing them how it should be done both on here and in the new job. I just wish Elorac and some of the others I have mentioned in the past would post too.

Geoff Hern (M60-80)

14 Feb 2017

Another positive contribution noted Sebrof. They are adding up and will soon outnumber the negative ones. As W. W. Sawyer, the well-known sums man, observed 'The way to perfection is by way of making mistakes' and I suggest that learning from other people's mistakes and mistreatments as well as your own can be included in that. Wow! Pseud-philosophy at my time of life.

Geoff Hern (M60-80)

14 Feb 2017

Hi Izzi, I also lived in Hannover I think it was kisser stasser I don't remember the chap you mentioned was mr Thompson your house master.do you remember any of the names I mentioned . Also do you remember the matrons names .thanks

Stephen Brown (E72 -74)

14 Feb 2017

Hi Ffoeg, You are so right that learning by any mistakes make them stick with you. I am a people watcher in the work place - this teaches me what the individual likes and does not like and enables me to look for improvements to meet their ever changing needs.

And that old cliche 'treat them how you would like to be treated' is complete nonsense!!! We are all individuals with preferences - that is what makes life interesting - you are the 'maths man' and I hate maths - but we still relate and hopefully learn from each other. I certainly learn from you and it's not maths - it's philosophy.

Keep philosophising and the grey matter will keep fighting which benefits everybody who enjoys your wisdom.

One thing I have learnt is 'Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference'. Trying to live by that is a challenge all on it's own!!!!!!!

iZZZi Forbes (E72-75)

14 Feb 2017

David Gray your name is familiar although you were obviously at least a year ahead of me at WBS - probably from the boxing where my ambition was to beat Phil Cann's (the school senior boxing champ) younger brother. Managed it once but Don Pearson thumped me every time.

'Pud' Watson was the other Maths master I experienced as I seemed to oscillate between his classes and Geoffs classes for some reason or the other - probably because I was too interested in rock'n'roll, I s'pose.

iZZZi, glad to hear you're doing well, I can hear the laughter from here. The supa dupa log burning stove is in and operational. We now have more heat in the house; even the cats are taking their jackets and ties off when they settle down for the night.

Another crazy memory: I can't remember when the following took place but I think it was the first term of Edinburgh Houses existence after some of us were transferred from Balmoral to form Edinburgh. Somehow, I think a certain Chris Endean was the instigator, The Nedifunt Run came into being. The Nedifunt Run took place in our first year junior dormitory. The run started on the top of the wardrobe right of the dorm door and the runner had to travel as fast as possible around the dorm, without touching the floor, to finish on top of the starting wardrobe. You can visualize a junior bouncing across three beds each side of the dormitory at enormous speed, leaping across chests of drawers and lockers. How the heck none of us flew through the window three stories up, I don't know. Beds became very saggy after a while and the hinges on the door where we hung and swung between wardrobes became somewhat loose. The fun stopped after a few weeks when Matron Dilla was nearly decapitated
when she stormed in to see what the noise was about just as runner had launched himself towards the door. Happy daze!

Malcolm Graham (E60-65)


14 Feb 2017

Hi Stephen, Our Housemaster was Mr Boyd, a man who I would prefer to forget. He dealt with me the night my sister was found to have 'escaped' and I paid the price for her actions big time - until the day I left.

I am not sure if we lived in Muckermannweg in Hannover (may have been Munster - so many addresses to locate!).
In Hannover there were 3 possibly more blocks of flats in a row. On the opposite side of the road there was a Colonel Foynes with big dogs and round the corner from him there was a psychiatrist by the name of Houston, his wife Liz was a bit eccentric - she used to buy clothes that she did not want and give them to me!?!?

My father was in the RAMC and we did not move with regiments as many did. He would hear of a vacant posting and come home and say how do you fancy living in ???? - start packing we're on the move - Fantastico - another school, etc, etc, etc - I still can't settle in a house all these years on...............

When people ask me where I come from my reply is 'you tell me and how long have you got to listen?'

Don't remember the names you mentioned.

Matrons were Frau Schroder - lovely lady who really cared - she left quite suddenly - rumour was she had cancer - don't know if it was true - I really missed her.
The Frau Schroder - 'pooh it stinks in here open sie vindows and curtains' - she did this and our wee bodies froze in the winter time - no wonder I missed Frau Schroder

Hope this helps

iZZZi Forbes (E72-75)

15 Feb 2017

I thought I ought to join in to show I'm still here, although currently sorting my house out in hopes of moving (the attic is full of items my four children have thoughtfully left behind when they moved out}.

I'm glad the new job is working out for you, Izzzi :-) Job satisfaction makes such a difference!

As to learning from others' mistakes - as someone once said, you don't have enough time in your own lifetime to make them all yourself.

Our matron was also fond of "Strip ze beds" - even worse was a member of staff, if she caught us after lights out, it was strip the beds/make them up/strip them/make them half a dozen times. Alternatively, run up the stairs from the cellar to the top floor a number of times. But I became a master of arranging the top layer of my drawers so that they looked "tidy" - underneath would be a heaving mass of nightmarish proportions, but on top they looked okay, so I didn't have them tipped on my bed too often. I learned quite a few "life hacks" at school - such as, when out of bed and chatting to each other after lights out, we didn't make a dash for our beds if we heard the member of staff walking down the corridor - we just "froze", so they would hear nothing and walk on. So we rarely got caught. No, I wasn't one of those made to strip the beds or run up the stairs!

End of term we used to move the furniture round the dorm - five beds would fit under the windows, the wardrobes would go round the door, so the member of staff coming in to turn our lights out would walk into a wardrobe.

I know many of those on here don't go on facebook, but I have recently scanned in and posted there some of my old "Ambassadors" - one more still to do, from 1968. In my attic sorting I also found the leaflet from the Anglo-German trip to Limburg in 1966 - a co-ed trip by train, we stayed in a youth hostel (segregated on separate floors!) and were catered for in Schloss Oranienstein, which was a Bundeswehr barracks. Being a barracks, it didn't have sufficient ladies' toilets, so in the end we girls commandeered one of the gents' ones.

I took my other half through the Sauerland last year - hoping to repeat the trip some time and actually spend a bit of time there. Apart from those memorable walks with Mr Hern, it's where my grandfather came from.

Off to Edinburgh again next week for family history research. As I sit in Waverley station and watch the people rushing around, I wonder how many might be ex-Windsors :-)

Pamela Ross (StJ63-68)

15 Feb 2017

Thanks izzzi I guess I was lucky our house master was great .i can't remember the matrons names but they also were great. I remember getting caught by the prefects when doing a dorm raid .i was marched up to there room were I was made to hold a book in each hand arms out straight ,they kept this up for around ten mins they then made me a hot chocolate and sent me to bed .even they were a great bunch .if there are any Edinburgh house guys out there from my years drop a line thanks bye for now

Stephen Brown (E72 -74)

18 Feb 2017

I was a student at Windsor School from 1955 to 1960. Having moved from the UK to Canada many years ago, I meet with David Dunlop who was living in Ottawa. My house master was Mr. Benfield. Master Cutler was also at Sandringham. NIgel Silver Frith was a senior who sat at my table during dinner. I traced Brad Brayshaw to the United States. That was some years ago. Have lost touch with moving to different locations here in Canada. Would like to get in touch with the following Sandringham students if possible namely Hans Coulson, Gordon Lawson, Emily Birdling, Bill Birdling, David Jones, Terry Knight, Barry Westhead, Others Mike "Battler" Briton.
They were happy days except when Ned Kelly was around. However I will always have happy memories of Windsor School the dances and the Tuck shop. Regards

Maurice Hickman (S55-60)

20 Feb 2017

Memories of a WGS/WBS geography field trip to Bavaria in the late 7o's/early 80's.Two minibuses,4 staff and about 12 students staying in the army ski hut.Chris Mullen (WGS) did an urban study of Oberstdorf (a chic ski resort).Two boys (D.Padbury? M.Marshall?) Were outside a bank armed with clipboards and pens and wearing army camo.,Doc Martens,"Arab" scarves and mirror shades.Quite a fashion statement-so much so that they were arrested by the local polizei.Chris had to negotiate their release. "Dap" really was innocent on this occasion.The rest of the week was relatively uneventful but productive and most enjoyable.Can anyone out there fill in details of names,etc.?

Alan Hughes (E72-82)

25 Feb 2017

Hi Guys,

Did I miss the union meeting where you all voted to go on strike???

Has Bill been made redundant after all his efforts to keep us going???

Whaur's the banter lunes???

Hope to hear from somebody soon.................

iZZZi Forbes (E72-75)

27 Feb 2017

As I wrote before Sebrof. After the excesses of January I thought that I'd give others a chance. Seems as if it was a forlorn hope to get Du Pont students, Elorac and many others to start posting again. Another excuse - it was my wedding anniversary in the middle of the month - won't tell you what day but romantic would describe it. So not a union meeting but non-union action.
Alan there seems to be no reaction to your Field trip memory. Something I too have noticed when I have waxed lyrical about Altenilpe D. of E. camps. I think that we may have enjoyed the experience more than the students did. Important in itself but not the main reason for organising the trips of course.
Christine, her 'lads' and everybody else all continue to ignore my little sums problem in my post of Nov 10th 2014. Even the PYFO made no difference. Such is life.

Geoff Hern (M60-80)

27 Feb 2017

Does anyone else remember the CCF night exercises, when a bunch of uniformed Brits with rifles were let loose overnight to roam the German countryside? Wonder what the Germans thought looking out of their windows!

Steve Green (C66-68) (E6thform 68-69)

27 Feb 2017

I remember going to Sennelager on manouvers with the CCF - one of our squad managed to talk some british squaddies into taking us into the attack on one of their tanks! Also we were allowed to go rough camping - three of us went along the canal and pitched up for the night. In the morning we made a disasterous attempt to sail back on a log raft we made - it sank as soon as one of us boarded it.

Bill Craswell (C62-65)

28 Feb 2017

Mr hern - I will get the lads on to it - what doe's PYTO mean??

Christine Willmott (M77-80)

28 Feb 2017

Good evening Mr Hern Sir, Geoff, Ffoeg,

I am addressing this to you but I hope it will reach those who have a sneaky peek and don't contribute!!!

There are many groups of Windsorites on face book - I am lead to believe (trust me I don't go there)..............
and I find it sad that they choose not to make a contribution to this wonderful site that Bill has made a great effort to keep going.

My memories of Windsor are not the best (Geoff has clearly enabled me to be more positive) but the fact is that the school, the teachers and peers influenced and contributed to who we are now - and that is inescapable.

For me this forum provides the opportunity to relate to people who understand the ethos of being a member of that community in a way that nobody else does and that gives me a sense of identity, personhood which is so important to the past , present and future.

Come on you sneaky peekers what have you got to say for yourselves - good, bad or indifferent we want to hear from you>>>>>>>>>>>

Elaroc Ddot we hope all is good in your life and would love to hear from you, et al

iZZZi Forbes (E72-75)

28 Feb 2017

PYFO - pull your finger out???? where from I ask??????


I wouldn't have classed you as a romantic Dude but I hope you and your Good Lady had a lovely Valentines day and you did her proud.
Congratulations on how many years of marriage?

You lucky man!!!!! X

iZZZi Forbes (E72-75)